Whether in your personal life, career, relationship, or in a public situation, writer's block, social anxiety, imposter syndrome, being off-form or having an identity crisis can affect anyone at any time. It's part of the human condition and yet it can throw us off course and make us feel helpless.
Giles Paley-Phillips and Jim Daly host an informal, insightful podcast in which they chat to well-known people from comedy, acting, writing, broadcasting, politics and sports about their careers and how they get through these moments when things aren't going to plan. Some of the recurring themes include public failure, social anxieties, fear, mental health, grief and more. This, their first book, looks at the common experiences and lessons they've encountered while talking to guests such as Amanda Abbington, Rufus Hound, Reginald D Hunter, Jon Ronson, Dawn French, Rufus Sewell and Gary Lineker.
Blank moments allow us to reset and see things differently. Far from being setbacks, they can be the impetus for clarity and creativity. Identify your blank moments and jump in - you never know what you might find.
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Giles Paley-Phillips is an award-winning author of children’s books, co-host on Blank podcast, ambassador for Action Aid, and member of a band. Jim Daly is a comedian and presenter, and writes for sketch shows. They launched the Blank podcast in November 2018 and have hosted a stellar line-up of guests from TV, sport, politics, comedy, film and media.
Whether in your personal life, career, relationship, or in a public situation, writer's block, social anxiety, imposter syndrome, being off-form or having an identity crisis can affect anyone at any time. It's part of the human condition and yet it can throw us off course and make us feel helpless.
Giles Paley-Phillips and Jim Daly host an informal, insightful podcast in which they chat to well-known people from comedy, acting, writing, broadcasting, politics and sports about their careers and how they get through these moments when things aren't going to plan. Some of the recurring themes include public failure, social anxieties, fear, mental health, grief and more. This, their first book, looks at the common experiences and lessons they've encountered while talking to guests such as Amanda Abbington, Rufus Hound, Reginald D Hunter, Jon Ronson, Dawn French, Rufus Sewell and Gary Lineker.
Blank moments allow us to reset and see things differently. Far from being setbacks, they can be the impetus for clarity and creativity. Identify your blank moments and jump in - you never know what you might find.
Going Blank: An Introduction to the Blank Podcast
GILES
In 2004, while I was going through a downward period in my creativity, feeling unfocused and despondent, I decided to write down all the things I wanted to achieve or do in the next ten years.
A bold move, you might think, but I reckoned it would give me a set of problems to solve, tests to pass, goals to score. Some were fairly doable, some were downright ludicrous (or so I believed at the time), many were forgettable, but one really stayed with me, even after I’d lost that piece of paper two or three years in!
The sorts of things I put on that piece of paper ranged from visiting New York (not done that yet) to having five books published (I have done that one); from learning the piano (nope, not yet) to running the London Marathon (tick! Did it in 2016, a bit behind schedule).
But that one idea I always kept in the recesses of my own creative locker?
Making a podcast.
Why this particular idea continued to appeal to me when so many others evaporated remains a mystery, but for many years it was just a pipe dream. I’d never had any real broadcast experience or learned production skills, and furthermore, I had no clue what this podcast would be about.
Fast-forward to 2018. I was in a similar slump to the one I’d been in in 2004 – nothing was coming out of me creatively, my mojo was flaccid, and I was in need of some artistic Viagra to kick- start a new project. Could a podcast be just the thing to help?
It was the start of a golden age for podcasts, with some 550,000 in existence at the time, covering a huge number of topics and genres – the arts, politics, comedy, sports, fanzines, drama, music, kids’ shows and so on. One kind of podcast that was fairly prevalent was the long-form interview, and this was the type of show that intrigued me the most: the chance to sit and shoot the shit with inspirational individuals was something that truly appealed to me.
But how do you approach that in a different way to everyone else? I thought about what I’d like to listen to, what would benefit me as a creative person, what would help me right now, but I found I couldn’t think of anything: my mind was blank. And that’s when it hit me.
Attempting to find those little universalities that are very human experiences is not always easy, but in precisely that moment of blankness – when I seemingly couldn’t think of anything – I’d stumbled upon the very thing that would be perfect to investigate.
The blankness I was experiencing was not just about struggling to think of a podcast subject – it was the very thing I was battling in my creative life as a whole. If I was honest with myself, I’d been going blank for quite some time, and would be blank again many more times in the future – so what better subject to tackle?
But how do you set up a podcast? What are the mechanics? How does it work? I didn’t think I could do this on my own, so I needed a co-pilot – someone to collaborate with. Collaboration has been something I’ve long enjoyed, going back to my days playing in bands. I find that team spirit incredibly energising.
Enter stage left: Jim Daly.
Jim and I knew each other through social media, having had a few interactions, and those who listen to the podcast will be very aware of our love of Crystal Palace FC, and that Jim hosts and produces FYP, a Crystal Palace fanzine podcast. As a listener, I’d always enjoyed Jim’s relaxed, light-hearted delivery, and I knew he would be great for this project I was dreaming up.
The concept I had at that point was a long-form interview podcast with various well-known people, talking to them about those blank moments in their creative lives when things were not working quite so well. Initially, I thought we would just be talking to writers and actors, but when Jim and I sat down together in a café in Brighton one afternoon in July 2018, we started to see the potential for widening our scope.
Why stop with writers and actors? Sportspeople, comedians, business people, politicians – they’d definitely have blank moments too. Indeed, quite early on in our first meeting, it became obvious that Jim himself was having a blank period in his career. He’d got the fear of doing stand-up comedy, and as much as I felt for him in his situation, I was also pleased to find a like-minded person who would have the level of empathy we would need to allow our guests to feel comfortable enough to open up about their own blanks.
So, that afternoon we hatched a plan, we recorded a little promo video, and the Blank Podcast was born. Then I went home and threw together some artwork on Photoshop, and set about trying to find some guests!
I cast the net out far and wide, thinking that maybe one or two people might say yes. I even thought I’d try my luck with a few big names – after all, the worst that could happen was a no. But to my utter astonishment, my Twitter DMs starting filling up with yes after yes; people were totally getting the concept and looking forward to the idea of talking about it!
The very best thing about podcasts, and I think this is what attracts guests to the medium, is that you can really be yourself, and it’s an opportunity to talk candidly without any big sells. And that’s exactly what we wanted: an hour of unedited chat over a cup of tea, and for our listeners to feel like they were sitting at the next table, listening in.
We decided early on that, as a cottage-industry-style endeavour, we’d be doing everything ourselves – booking guests and venues, hosting, recording, producing, editing and marketing – and it might be wise to work with a podcast platform that could have our back when we needed it. So, we signed up with Acast, and set up our inaugural recording sessions.
Our first day of recording was at my house, with three guests from my local area spaced out over the course of the day: the screenwriter Warren Dudley, children’s author Lindsay Galvin and Game of Thrones actor Daniel Tuite. It was always our intention to be a little bit different from the kind of long-form interview podcasts that often reminded us of the now infamous – and at times tense – one-to-one between Sir David Frost and President Richard Nixon. These work well, of course, but having a third voice felt like a nice dynamic for us and provided another perspective to the discussion. I was a little nervous at first, but within minutes I forgot we were being recorded. It felt just like I wanted it to feel – three people around a table with a cup of tea, chatting about life, careers and those difficult blank moments.
The thing that struck me then and continues to amaze me now – and it’s why this podcast has continued to evolve as much as it has – is the sheer scope of what ‘blank’ can mean to different people. It isn’t just about how we ‘go blank’ creatively; it’s about when things are not going well in any given situation. It’s a state of mind that comes out in different ways for each individual, whether that’s public failure, social anxiety, grief or imposter syndrome. As we’ve continued along this journey, it has continued to be interpreted in so many new and different ways.
By September of that first year, when we sat down with the wonderful Jon Ronson in his hotel room in Soho one dreary Friday afternoon, I almost felt like I was having an out-of- body experience and that it must be someone else doing this – and that feeling has never quite gone away. Forget what the naysayers tell you – meeting your heroes is amazing, and long may it continue.
This podcast has genuinely been one of the greatest things I’ve ever been involved in, and it’s a privilege to make. As labours of love go, this has been the very best.
JIM
I can’t take any credit for this podcast – the idea was all Giles’s – but when he pitched the outline to me over a cup of tea and a tiffin in a quiet café in Brighton, I knew it was something I wanted to be involved in. What I didn’t know was just how much I would discover about life, work and myself in the next couple of years.
The idea itself was a pretty simple but solid one: talk to people who have been successful in a range of creative fields about those moments when things don’t go quite so well. Maybe we’d learn a bit about how to get through those moments, maybe we’d hear some funny stories, maybe we’d get to feel a bit better about ourselves by hearing that famous people have the same issues we do.
What we got instead, over the 100 or so episodes since then, is so much more. Not only have I met some heroes of mine – all of whom have turned out to be absolutely, brilliantly lovely people, forming some incredible memories I’ll never forget (and gaining me a few very famous Twitter followers along the way) – I have also made a lifelong friend in Giles. I knew of him through Twitter, of course, and also because we were (and still are, for our sins) Crystal Palace fans. But I knew the minute we started chatting on that sunny afternoon by the sea that we were destined to be mates forever. He is such a kind soul and he also shares the same hopes, fears, creative ambitions and worries about life that I do. I knew even then that if this podcast didn’t end up being a success, it didn’t matter, as I’d have at least made a really good friend out of it – and in a way, that was more important.
Making connections to other people is so vital, and it’s what forms the crux of the Blank Podcast. It’s certainly what keeps me going. There are episodes we do with people I’m a massive fan of, and other episodes we do with guests I don’t know quite as much about, but I always come away feeling somehow enriched and full of happiness, and like I’ve just added a really interesting person to my life. That connection with Giles when we first met was really key, and the connections we make with our guests on the podcast not only lead to great conversations (that we hope our listeners enjoy too) but also some really useful nuggets of truth and life lessons. I always come away from an episode with a few, and I’ve tried to apply as many of them as possible to my life since – some successfully, some less so.
In fact, I was having a pretty big blank moment in my own creative life when Giles proposed the podcast: I had been doing comedy for five years and it hadn’t quite gone the way I’d have liked. I’d grown frustrated by the lack of progress, which was nearly all my fault, and I needed something to jump-start my career. I secretly hoped that doing the podcast might help me learn a bit about why I had stalled, and maybe give me some pointers to getting back on track. What I didn’t realise was that I would be getting one-on-one advice from some of the UK’s most successful comedians, and that just over a year later, I would have performed at the Edinburgh Fringe and got myself a comedy agent.
So, I owe a lot to this podcast and to Giles. It’s given me the chance to meet so many brilliant people – and not just in the creative fields. It started off that way, but very quickly we realised we could broaden our scope to include business people, scientists, politicians and many more. In fact, the only guest so far that I have got super nervous about meeting was Caroline Lucas, leader of the Green Party. I am a card-carrying member of the Green Party and I just think she’s brilliant and such an inspiration. She’s like a rock star to me, so to get to meet her was such a big deal. Thankfully, she was lovely, and she even gave us one of the best going-blank stories we’ve ever heard, which is included in this book.
I do hope that you get as much out of this book – our little journey through blankness and all the various aspects of going blank – as I have from the last two years of making our podcast. In it, we will explore the various themes of ‘blankness’: those moments when things just aren’t going right; when you’re staring at a blank document trying to be creative or express yourself; when you go blank on stage or halfway through a presentation; when you falter during a performance; or when you’re having a monumental life blank in which everything is going wrong. We have hand-picked the best advice and anecdotes from our podcast guests and added our own thoughts and experiences on the areas of blankness that keep coming up on the podcast. You’ll find us talking about everything from creativity to grief, lack of sleep to social media, social awareness to public failure. We hope you’ll learn something interesting along the way, just as we have with the podcast.
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