Barry Lopez had no illusions about the seriousness of our global crisis, yet he also felt a deep conviction about the power of hope and the sources of renewal in the living world. Syntax of the River is an extended conversation spanning three days between Lopez and Julia Martin in which he explores what this juxtaposition means for him as a writer.
On the first day Lopez reflects on years watching the McKenzie River near his home in Oregon. He describes the quality of attention he learned from intimacy with the place itself: a very fine distinction between silence and stillness, the rich complexities of the present moment, and the syntax of interrelationships between living things. The second day is concerned with craft: the work of making sentences and books. Lopez shares his practical strategies for writing and revising a manuscript and goes on to speak about vulnerability. He says he often experienced a deep sense of doubt about his capacity to achieve whatever he was trying to do in a particular project. Over time, though, this characteristic experience of not-knowing became a kind of fuel for his work, and even a weapon at times.
On the final day, Lopez ponders the idea of writing as a praxis, a way of life, even a prayer for the earth, while concurrently being terrified by the portents of its destruction. Here, the experience of being an attentive participant emerges as his core teaching. Over the decades he developed a practice of attention that was endlessly curious and enthralled by the living world, what he calls its pattern or syntax. Despite acclaim as a celebrated writer, throughout his career Lopez humbly tasked himself with making a combination of wonder and horror work together to effectively communicate a life journey of contemplation, exploration, and discovery.
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Barry Lopez was an essayist, author, and short-story writer who traveled extensively in both remote and populated parts of the world. He is the author of Arctic Dreams, which received the National Book Award; Of Wolves and Men, Home Ground: A Guide to the American Landscape; and eight works of fiction, including Light Action in the Caribbean, Field Notes, and Resistance. His essays are collected in two books, Crossing Open Ground and About This Life. Lopez lived in western Oregon.
Julia Martin is a South African writer and a professor of English at the University of the Western Cape. In addition to academic work in ecocriticism, she writes creative nonfiction with a particular interest in metaphors of interconnectedness and the representation of place. She is the author of Syntax of the River: The Pattern Which Connects with Barry Lopez, A Millimetre of Dust: Visiting Ancestral Sites and The Blackridge House: A Memoir, and she collaborated with Gary Snyder on Nobody Home: Writing, Buddhism, and Living in Places, a collection of three decades of their letters and interviews. She and her family live in Cape Town, South Africa.
THE SOUND
OF WATER
julia martin
There was a little black plastic bear on the dashboard of
the truck when Barry Lopez fetched me from the airport. I
noticed because it was just like the one I’d been carrying in
my backpack since arriving in the United States. “The polar
bear’s elsewhere in the truck,” he said, “the big mother.”
Bears in the old Toyota truck seemed about right. For
decades Barry had pondered the conundrum of human peo-
ple’s relation to other beings, traveling across the world to
explore the mystery, and returning to write luminous prose
that somehow combined lyrical observation with a great deal
of information. His writing spoke directly to work in litera-
ture and ecology that I’d been doing in South Africa for some
years. And after we met through our mutual friend Gary
Snyder, Barry became a dear friend too, even a teacher.
So in fall 2010, I visited him at his home in Finn Rock,
Oregon. The formal part of the visit involved recording a
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conversation about his work that extended over three days.
For this, we sat at the window of a small wood cabin at the
edge of the McKenzie River, with my little black bear on the
table beside us. During the rest of the time we drove for hours
through deep green forests, slowing the truck to a walk so as
to get out and look at Douglas fir cones with the little mouse
tails peeping out, a piece of horsetail snapped off and used for
cleaning teeth, wild garlic chewed, mushrooms in the damp
near a waterfall, a Townsend’s chipmunk, a chickadee, a mar-
ten crossing our path. And we told many stories: stories of
bear and elk and mountain lion passing through, stories of
home and away, and stories of the interwoven joys and sad-
nesses of our lives. In all this, Barry’s capacity for openness,
focus, and seriousness were unrelenting. It was an intense
time, and I felt at once exhausted and elevated, the recipient
of something irreplaceable. Three words in my journal noted
what seemed like the heart of it: respect, kindness, suffering.
On returning to Cape Town, I had the recording tran-
scribed. The typist noted that the sound of water was contin-
uous in the background throughout the interview and said
working on it had been a gift of peace at the end of the year.
This was good to hear, and I sent the text to Barry to edit,
hoping to publish it soon. But there it sat. He kept meaning
to work on it, but the conversation was really long, and rather
more rambling in structure than he’d have preferred. And of
course other things kept intervening. His massive book proj-
ect, Horizon, which was finally completed in 2018, took up
most of his writing energy. Then there was a serious cancer
diagnosis, and the years of diminishing strength and deter-
mined courage that followed. Curiously, the deferred publi-
cation of the interview became a background thread to our
contact over the years, a conversation in itself. Barry would
feel remorseful that he hadn’t done it, and I would remind
him that the main thing was the opportunity the visit had
given us to be together.
Two years now since his death on Christmas day of 2020,
the deep blue agapanthus I planted for him are flowering
again, and it feels at last time to share our conversation. His
wife, Debra Gwartney, whom I met on a later visit and who
became a dear friend, is keen for others to read it. And I think
Barry would have been too. His words from a letter in 2015
are a poignant nudge to complete the project. “I’ve no inten-
tion of letting that interview slide,” he wrote. “We worked
hard on it and I’m determined to do my part with it. It is a
beautiful record of our time together, yes, but there is some-
thing else there more than worthy of our continued atten-
tion. The ball is in my court and one day I will surprise you
by returning your serve.”
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